John Batchelor Show of WABC-AM in New York City Interviews Dr. Wenyi Wang (Excerpt)

4/24/06

John Batchelor -- I'm John Batchelor. JohnBatchelorshow.com ABC radio. And joining me tonight, and I'm very pleased to introduce to this audience the woman who spoke the truth to Hu Jintao. Probably the first time in his 61 years that he's ever heard the truth. Well, maybe the second time. Her name is Dr. Wang Wenyi. She is a physician. She is also the Editor-in-Chief of Medicine and Life. She's a journalist with the Epoch Times. And last Thursday you will all recall because you all saw it on your news frequently for 24 hours, she was at the White House on the White House lawn as an accredited journalist and she spoke in English and in Chinese, in Mandarin, to Hu Jintao and she spoke the truth. Dr. Wang, a very good evening to you and thank you for joining me.

Wang Wenyi -- I thank you for the invitation. Lot of audience may be curious [as to] why I stepped forward at that time and to yell at him. Because as a Physician I just feel there is [an] urgency to tell him [that] there's an unspeakable crime going on in China. And recently, if anyone reads the Epoch Times, on March 8^th we published an article. Two witnesses came to our newspaper mentioning [that] there is live organ harvesting or just organ removal in China from the practitioners of Falun Gong - especially between the years 2001 to 2003. Right now this still continues [to be] going on and that is one of the major reasons in the public stage that I protest, calling upon him to stop such atrocity against Falun Gong practitioners.

John Batchelor -- You spoke to him in English and in Mandarin. I have the translation that the BBC did for you but you are here, in person, so please translate for my audience what you said. First say it again in Mandarin and then for the audience what you said exactly to Hu Jintao. We know he heard you. His head spun around. What did you say to him?

Wang Wenyi -- I said in Chinese [/speaks in Chinese/]. So basically I said, 'Falun Dafa is good.' That means, 'Falun Gong is good and so stop the persecution against Falun Gong. Stop the live organ harvest from the Falun Gong practitioners'.

John Batchelor -- And in your opinion, Dr. Wang, he knew exactly what you were talking about? He knew exactly what you were referring to? It didn't come as a surprise to him?

Wang Wenyi -- I think I want him [to] know; he must have seen my banner. So I want him [to] know that Falun Gong practitioners are here and they want their word to be heard. At least in after the media coverage he will know every message sent out.

John Batchelor -- The Falun Gong the Falun Dafa is the practice, as I understand it, of exercises in the morning and practicing Tolerance and Truth and Forgiveness and Candor to your fellow human beings. Dr. Wang Wenyi is a Falun Gong practitioner. She is also experienced in pharmacology and physiology and neuroscience. She just completed her residence at Mount Sinai hospital in New York. And when we come back we are going to discuss what exactly we know to be true about the concentration camps in China, right now, near where Dr. Wang was born - Changchun.

Dr. Wang, where are these concentration camps? Locate them on the map of China, please.

Wang Wenyi - According to one of the witnesses who just stepped out, last, end of the March, he told us of at least 36 labor camps and they -- [in] which they incarcerate Falun Gong practitioners. There is one in Jilin, near Jiutai, and at least 120 thousand people have been jailed there. And others have been located in different provinces like Xingjiang and other places and 36 of them. Back to the organ harvesting things, like I said, we have two witnesses [which] came to us and just exposed what happened in Sujiatun, Shenyang and Liaoning province. Between 2001 to 2003, thousands of Falun Gong practitioners [have] been incarcerated in one of these facilities in Shenyang and Sujiatun in the Xue Shuan Bing Zhi Liao Zhong Xing that's a Thrombosis treatment center. And practitioners of Falun Gong and their organs have been live harvested. Because one of the witness' husband participated in this and that is why we know the detailed process of this.

John Batchelor -- Dr. Wang is from the city, a very large city, called Changchun which was at one time the capital of Manchuria. She tells me so I can act very well informed about Chinese geography. And one of the largest concentration camps is near your hometown, Changchun. And many of the original Falun Gong Falun Dafa practitioners are from Manchuria. And so a disproportionate number are victimized. This is Manchuria. But I learned when I spoke with Falun Gong practitioners several weeks ago that it's practiced around the world. And that the Chinese communist party -- we're not talking about the Chinese government here, we are talking about the Chinese communist party, which is unelected and is derived from the pedigree of mass-murder. That's what its pedigree is. It's practicing mass murder right now. In addition to the organ harvesting, men and women are executed for the crime of practicing Falun Gong which is an exercise routine in the morning and practicing Tolerance and Honesty towards fellow human beings. Dr. Wang, before your confrontation with Hu Jintao, before you spoke the truth to a mass-murderer, you met with elements of the American government. Is it your opinion that the American government, the State Department, the White House National Security apparatus or the Congress which is a separate branch entirely, is aware that this is going on? Are they concerned about it? Are they promising that they are going to do anything?

Wang Wenyi -- We heard this - the horrific stories, and we felt the urgency to stop them. Like I said this is a harvesting [of] organs from live practitioners of Falun Gong. They basically just had a pool of the blood type matching of those tissues and then anyone who needed the organ they had -- they actually had an international transplantation center in Shenyang. And the advertising there is-- 'if you need an organ, we can just give it to you in two weeks'.

John Batchelor - So they're advertising organs from someone; they don't say who. They say executed prisoners or they say people in China. They advertise them and you can shop for them. Does the U.S. State Department know this? Does the U.S. State Department promise that it is going to do anything?

Wang Wenyi -- We just brought the witnesses the Congress members and also [to] the State Department, and talked to them. There is something going on and so let the witnesses talk to them. They should know now because before that, they just had no idea. And tell the truth. Everybody [that] heard this was really shocked and stunned. But there is a problem. And I think that after we exposed that, three weeks later, Chinese foreign ministry and spokesperson came out and said that this is a lie, and they said that this is nothing like what Falun Gong practitioners have claimed. And they opened the international investigational media. That was three weeks after the clean-up work. And in between this, I was informed Diplomats, American Diplomats went to the Sujiatun facility, had a guided tour by the hospital and by the facility then they said finally they had a news briefing and said they could not find the evidence about the organ harvesting.

John Batchelor -- So some members of the outside world where taken to a 'Potemkin village' of a medical center and they could not find abuse. What a surprise. You will all recall that the credibility of China hangs on how it handled the SARS epidemic -- which was not at all. The first instinct in China by the Chinese communist party is to lie. The last instinct is to lie. So right now what Falun Gong is doing and what Dr. Wang did most heroically on the White House lawn was make a story very clear to the whole world. Anybody hiding from the story right now -- get out a news because this story is either going to be confirmed or it's going to burn up the relations of China and the rest of the world. My opinion, Dr. Wang? Right now, listening to us at J.F.K and at OHARE and at L.A.X and at San Francisco are rooms filled with business-class travelers. Ladies and gentlemen where you are going, that country practices mass-murder and organ harvesting on human beings right now who have committed no crimes. That is a fact. That is what a tyranny is. That's what tyrannies do. There is no accountability. That's what lack of democracy means. How many people have disappeared? To your experience Dr. Wang, how many people have disappeared in China? How many do we not know where they are right now?

Wang Wenyi -- Actually it is a large number but we have no exact number for this. But in New York we have practitioners -- several hundred practitioners at least we know quite number of the people they lost family members for one year to three years and they couldn't find them. They don't know [their] whereabouts.

John Batchelor -- And nobody ever comes out of those camps? Nobody has ever come out.

Wang Wenyi -- No. And according to the two witnesses, [in] the Sujiatun facility thousands and thousands of practitioners [are] there, but no one really comes [back] out alive.

John Batchelor- I'm John Batchelor. I'm with Dr. Wang Wenyi who spoke extremely forcefully and truthfully to Hu Jintao who leads the communist party last week in the White House; on the White House lawn. We are going to take a call now. We are going to start on the East coast. Rosemarie you join Dr. Wang. Good evening to you. Do you have a question for Dr. Wang, please?

Rosemarie -- Ah yes, hi. Good evening. No, I just have a comment in reference to the anti Falun Gong propaganda that is out there. That the CCP has mobilized a global propaganda campaign by blocking websites, TV, radio and all media relating to the facts of the persecution of Falun Gong.

John Batchelor -- Well Rosemarie, I thank you for your comment, but you notice that they missed this radio show and you know that's a big miss, that's a BIG miss, Rosemarie.

Rosemarie -- Yes, which is wonderful. I applaud you, I applaud you. What I wanted to let the listeners know that it has largely kept the real situation out of the Western mainstream media and it's about time that it's come to a full blown head.

John Batchelor -- Thank you Rosemarie, thank you very much. Yeah, mainstream, I love that. You know, everybody out there's got to smile at this. You know who's listening.

Okay, let's go to San Francisco. Sherri, good evening to you! Do you have a question for Dr. Wang, please?

Sherri -- Yes. I was just wondering what Dr. Wang was thinking when she was right before she yelled. Does she feel a little bit nervous? What was she thinking at that moment?

John Batchelor -- Yeah, Did you have stage fright, Dr. Wang?

Wang Wenyi -- Actually I was really calm. And when I see the delegation there - in fact, what a surprise, Bo Xilai was there, the former vice governor of the Liaoning province. This is some secret surprise because we didn't know that beforehand. As Bo Xilai - this is the one ... responsible for the thousands and thousands of practitioners being incarcerated in Liaoning province, including what I talked about in Sujiatun and the live organ harvesting in that province. And so I said to myself and that this is a .. time you've got to not only let Hu Jintao but also including Bo Xilai hear from the voice of the practitioners. And because the Hu Jintao, actually is not directly the one responsible for [the] persecution; the Jiang Zemin started this brutal persecution. But the reason I want him [to] hear what I'm saying is, I don't want him to step.. just to follow the steps of the Jiang Zemin. And that would be because in history persecution is never right and it will eventually stop but if he comes out after the Jiang Zemin and he continues this persecution, then he will have to take the responsibility in history.

John Batchelor - Let's take another call, please. I think we are going to ask Joe from New Jersey- Joe you have a question about why Falun Gong is persecuted, is that right?

Joe -- Dr. Wang, what is it specifically about the Falun Gong, Falun Dafa that the Chinese communist leadership finds so threatening?

Wang Wenyi -- I think that basically throughout the communist party history if you know it, there is 80 million people been persecuted to death throughout these 50-plus number of years. So you can see what the nature of the communist party regime [is]. And in the last 50 years we have so many different political so-called movements and they just basically want to brainwash people and control the peoples' mind so anything beyond the communist control they just feel the threat. And the people who practice Falun Gong they basically follow Truthfulness Compassion Tolerance. It is Buddha school and Tao school teaching, which is a benefit to the people spiritually and morally. And so they practice five sets of elegant slow-motion exercises and purify the body and energize the body and which is so good for people's health, mentally and physically. But if you do this independently of the communist party, especially if you have the sheer number of people practicing, then they feel that this is potential threat. In the year of 1999 - that's seven years after Falun Gong became public, more than 100 million people practiced it which is double the communist party members and that made [the] communist dictator nervous about it.

John Batchelor -- Joel from Toronto, good evening to you. Thank you for calling. Do you have a remark for Dr. Wang?

Joel -- Well I just wanted to say that as I'm recalling any group that has been targeted by the Chinese communist party, I don't remember any group that has lasted more than three days, including the student democracy movement when millions of students went into the street to protest. They were wiped out in a matter of three days. It's been seven years and Falun Gong practitioners continue to persevere and continue to survive. This to me is amazing. It's just astounding.

John Batchelor -- I want to make a remark Dr. Wang about what I've learned in the few weeks I've looked at this problem, Joel --or this puzzle, and I agree with you. How is it that from 1999 until now 100 million people have joined what looks to me to be a really good piece of advice; to exercise in the morning and treat people well. And that THAT is a threat to the communist party in China! It tells me that the Chinese communist party is frightened of everything. This is beyond irony. They're scared of their own shadows. They're scared of the sun coming up. They're scared of the rain! What can they do to redeem themselves right now? Give them another chance. What do you want them to do right now?

Wang Wenyi -- I just want them to really think about it. Because no matter what you are, you are a human being first and there is something you can do. There is a bottom line of morality and if you really look at what is happening in China, you have to have a better idea. This regime, the communist party, they did too much - too many evil things to Chinese people.

John Batchelor -- Please say that in Mandarin to them as well, please. Tell them. They are listening. They listen on the Internet. Of course they are listening. They know what's going on. They've got a very good intelligence services. Guys, listen. She's going to say it in Chinese. Go ahead, tell them.

Wang Wenyi -- In Chinese I would say.. (Dr. Wang speaking in Chinese) I would advise them to withdraw from the party as early as possible. And that in this way, they come to be true human beings, and not do the evil things.

John Batchelor. -- Now I hope that everybody understands why Falun Gong is so threatening to the Chinese communist party; 200 thousand people in concentration camps, live organ harvesting, executions of fully healthy human beings so that their bodies are cut up and sold to our enemies for parts. And what does the Falun Gong say to them? 'We forgive you. Just Stop.' You see why they are scary. This is ABC radio.

John Batchelor -- We're talking about the crime of the communist party toward Falun Gong practitioners in China where up to 2 hundred thousand of them are now incarcerated in concentration camps, and to Dr. Wang's information none of them have ever come out of those camps and the organ harvesting is going on right now.

Anne in Washington, you know Dr. Wang. Good evening to you Anne, thank you.

Anne -- Hi. Yeah, I am a friend of Dr. Wenyi Wang

John Batchelor -- You're speaking to her right now Anne, go right ahead, please.

Anne -- Oh Okay. Yeah I know she is there. I have been working very closely with her in the past two months about the live organ harvesting story. And I know these two witnesses very well. Actually one of them is also a journalist. He used to work for a Japanese TV news agency in China and he learned about this horrible story and he tried to tell the world about this. However he told me that once he had many friends and contacts in, for example Japan, and he tried to get the Japanese media to cover this. However, nobody... Either that nobody believed in him or nobody dared to report it on this. And then finally he came to the - actually, he fled from China and he came to the United States. And ah, since he didn't speak English, he came to the Epoch Times the Chinese Edition first and told us about the story. And after some research, we published the article. Actually he was quite surprised because he said, 'Nobody believe in me and how come you believe in us?' And I told him that actually, I'm the last person in the whole world who'd want to believe it's true because I myself have friends who have been missing in China in the last few years. I really do not want it to be true.

John Batchelor -- Yes we hope it's, we hope it's an exaggeration, I agree with you Anne. But you know the more I hear the story - Dr. Wang, there is something about this that's so creepy it is hard to believe that it's not, I mean it's hard to believe. It keeps getting hard to believe.

Wang Wenyi -- When I talk to the LI here, she actually cried here. Because I didn't have ah, I didn't go through the real process with our audience. And like I said, in the international transplantation center website they - I know what ties in this way; I know a lot of Americans here should know if we need a kidney or liver or heart, at least we wait for years, like two years and sometimes maybe longer, because you have to have a tissue type match and blood type match. And for the Chinese transplantation they otherwise timing [is] such [a] short time, like two weeks or even [within a] few days they can find a donor for you. And that means there is a large pool of the people who are alive there and they've been pre-matched and have the tissue matched and have a database there. And so, whenever the recipient came to them, they can really come back to find the potential donor. Then they drug them and then harvest the organs.

John Batchelor -- I understand. It sounds like science fiction. It's $170,000 for a heart, it's $62,000 for a kidney, and it's $30,000 for a cornea. I'm not going to make an ironic remark. This isn't cartoon time.

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Dr. Wang Wenyi, thank you very much. I hope we will speak again soon.

Wang Wenyi -- Thank you.

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